171: Spooning - Can Anyone Really Sleep Like That All Night? also Funny Sleep Habits and Nightmares Quirks

Roula (00:01)
don't know, Rosie, if this is a question or a remark and I want us just to talk about it. I find it so unrealistic when in movies you see couples sleeping very deep while they are sleeping on each other. Or when they're like in a spoon, spooning position. And in real life, I can never sleep if my head is on my husband's chest or if we're hugging. I need to

Rosie (00:06)
Okay.

you

Mm-hmm.

Roula (00:30)
have my space and sleep So is it only in movies that this shows as possible? What's your experience?

Rosie (00:37)
It's all very romantic, isn't it?

Yeah, it's not usually like if you're curled up with something, yeah, your head on their ⁓ chest. I mean, it's cute and you feel close, but would I be able to sleep like that all night? Hell no. How uncomfortable? I'd have a stiff neck.

Like, so no, that's probably a movie thing. Have I fallen asleep like that though? Yeah.

Spooning, I quite like spooning, but sometimes I might fuck off, I want my space. Yeah.

Roula (01:24)
Can you fall asleep?

Rosie (01:30)
But yeah, I don't want a spoon all night. Like fuck off, I want my space.

Roula (01:31)
Every time, like, fuck off, I want this.

No, well, not not I'm I don't want to say it like this. I don't know if I ever said like this, I will ever be spooned again.

Rosie (01:43)
okay. Right.

Are you usually the big spoon or the little spoon?

Roula (01:49)
It's so unkind.

I'm the little, I'm the little spoon. And sometimes I pretend I'm the big spoon, but then it's so uncomfortable. I give up quickly. Just, yeah. So just when I cannot breathe anymore, then my head is in my husband's bag. And then just when he starts feeling, ⁓ that's so nice. I'm like, no, I can't do this.

Rosie (01:54)
You say that as if it's obvious.

Is that because you're shorter?

Okay.

Roula (02:18)
I was just starting to enjoy.

Rosie (02:19)
And then when you're spooning,

you've got that awkward arm, know, the arm you're lying on and you've got to find somewhere to put it, like, yeah.

Roula (02:26)
Yeah, yes, like where do you put your arms? So it is bullshit that in movies they can fall asleep like this.

Rosie (02:37)
Maybe. I've fallen asleep like that. I don't know. You're making a thing out of not a thing.

Roula (02:39)
You

I'm making a thing of something I cannot do, but others can. Does this make sense to you?

Rosie (02:52)
Yeah. Do you have envy?

Roula (02:54)
Okay, so you can sleep

the whole night like that.

Rosie (02:58)
Probably not. not the whole night. I like to roll over.

Roula (03:03)
But you can fall asleep. Okay, that's a good one.

Rosie (03:05)
So no, I couldn't sleep the whole night.

Yes, that's a good one, okay.

Roula (03:09)
Because I cannot fall asleep like this, but you can.

Rosie (03:14)
Yeah, so we sleep differently. If we have a sleepover, I'll be sure not to spoon you.

Roula (03:18)
Who?

Rosie (03:26)
You like

Roula (03:27)
that's so funny! Well, it's okay, yes.

Rosie (03:32)
Why not?

Roula (03:34)
If it helps you fall asleep.

Okay. tell me, tell me do you notice that the way you sleep changes with time? Cause for example, I used to be a belly s No, no, just how you sleep. So I used to sleep on my belly. It was amazing. I couldn't fall asleep from not on my sleeping on my belly.

Rosie (03:51)
or with a partner? ⁓ no, okay. ⁓

Wow.

Roula (04:02)
And now it's like the worst thing that can happen to me if at night I suddenly notice I'm sleeping on my belly. I'm like, what the fuck? It's not comfortable. And I turn.

Rosie (04:13)
No, I've always been a side sleeper. Always, since I can remember. I mean, maybe not as a baby, but since I was born. I was born this way.

Roula (04:19)
since you were born.

Oh, it's boring this way. Oh, yeah. Side sleeping is also cool.

Rosie (04:28)
I'm a side sleeper. And you know what else? One of my quirks when I sleep, well there's a couple actually. Yeah,

it's cool. I always sleep with my feet outside of the sheets. Otherwise I overheat and I get nightmare. Well yes, but my sheets are long enough. I consciously have my feet not under the sheets, because otherwise I overheat and I have nightmares.

Roula (04:37)
Yeah.

Well, you're quite tall. ⁓

How? When you're over here to have nightmares?

Rosie (04:56)
I don't know. Yeah!

Have you never noticed that?

Roula (05:02)
No! When I overheat I wake up!

Rosie (05:03)
Yeah, when I get too hot, I...

Yeah, I guess me too. But no, if I do that, I tend to have nightmares and I overheat. ⁓ It has to be so cold for me not to have my feet outside of the blankets. And I hate having my sheets tucked in. That's the worst. So if I go to a hotel or something like that, they always tuck them in. I rip it out. none of that. And the other thing I do...

Roula (05:32)
⁓

Terrible, and then you're

lay and your shit is stucked in and then your toes are, you can't move anymore.

Rosie (05:42)
Yeah, it's

the worst. Who wants that? But my other quirk is, and I think I've mentioned this before, I always have something over my ear because I'm a side sleeper and my ears exposed. I am terrified of bugs and spiders and whatever crawling into my ear. So I always have a bit of my sheet over my ear.

Roula (05:46)
Terrible.

⁓ okay.

Rosie (06:03)
Good thing too,

there was a grasshopper hanging around a couple of nights ago near my head. And if I didn't have that thing over my ear, I reckon it would have jumped in my ear and that would have been very unpleasant.

Roula (06:14)
But how did

you at night, OK, now we're drifting, but I really want to know, how did you know there is a grasshopper? It was in the dark. Were you sleeping or what happened?

Rosie (06:18)
you

Well, I woke up, so I have this new pantry that I built and it's right next to where I sleep. So I lie on my side and if I'm facing to my right, I'm sort of facing the wall of the pantry. And it was nighttime, but I had the, I don't have a curtain on my window at the moment. So there was moonlight coming in and I sort of opened my eyes half asleep and there's the silhouette of this grasshopper.

on the wall of that pantry, just staring at me, like swaying from side to side. I was like, my God.

Roula (07:01)
haha

Rosie (07:04)
So yes, that's how I discovered the grasshopper. No, I don't know. No, I just sort of left it. But then the other night there was a frog. There was a frog that jumped on me. I think you saw the video. That scared the shit out of me. my God. Yeah.

Roula (07:05)
Did you? Did you get it out?

⁓ get admitted!

Yeah!

Yeah!

Rosie (07:23)
all sorts of weird things that come in the van.

Roula (07:23)
Ooh, terrible. Your night adventure with insects. You never sleep alone.

⁓ crazy, crazy. Yeah, well, you know, I sleep very lightly. ⁓ I'm not having a deep sleep, so I keep moving and turning around. But when my son was sleeping next to me a couple of weeks ago, he slept every night next to me, I was making sure that because he was complaining, I make sound breathing when I sleep.

Rosie (07:38)
Mmm.

Hmm.

Roula (08:01)
So I didn't want to disturb him because I'm training him to fall asleep the whole night. He was having difficulties. yeah, so I was half awake, half thinking, am I making sound in my sleep? Am I quiet? Is he sleeping? Am I waking him up? So he made me very attentive to my behavior in my sleep, to be polite, to the etiquette of my behavior in my sleep.

Rosie (08:08)
Okay.

self-conscious. ⁓

I used to sleepwalk as a child, have you ever done that?

Roula (08:36)
No, but my uncle used to sleepwalk and he always wanted to go and pee at the neighbor's house. Usually when he's drunk.

Rosie (08:38)
Mm-hmm.

⁓ my god,

⁓ my god. Maybe he was saying he was sleepwalking but really he was just drunk and being an idiot.

Roula (08:50)
But you used to sleepwalking.

Rosie (08:52)
Yeah, I never left the house, but I used to sleepwalk and I never realized what it looked like. I always thought, you know, in cartoons when a character's sleepwalking, they have their eyes closed and their arms out in front of them and it all looks very silly. Well,

Roula (09:06)
So this

how you try to sleepwalk.

Rosie (09:09)
No, excuse me. No, but that's kind of how I imagined it. I knew no different. And so one night I saw my sister sleepwalking and it is so creepy because their eyes are open. Roula is taking photos of my face because I keep freezing. I'm very self-conscious now. But her eyes are open and sort of glazed over and she's just talking.

Roula (09:11)
my god you look like an alien because the thing is freezing

Rosie (09:36)
as if she's conscious, but you can tell that something's a bit weird, you know? It was, it's strange.

Roula (09:44)
creepy. Liam has this, it's creepy. Yeah. All right, Rosie, shall we wrap this episode up? It's again, my dear listener, we just talking, we don't really have a topic on this recording day, but we're enjoying the conversations. Thank you for listening.

Rosie (09:45)
Very, very cricky. Totally.

Yeah.

Yeah

Roula (10:05)
Bye!

Rosie (10:07)
Mm.