40. Miss Mrs Ms And just Mr Mr Mr

Rosie: [00:00:00] Uh, you just miss talk a lot, but you've got good things to say. Miss talk, miss talk, miss talk a lot. Miss Mrs. Chatterbox. Miss Chatterbox, Mrs. Sorry, Mrs. Chatterbox. 

Roula: Yeah. I haven't been virgin for hs, so you cannot call me a miss. Um, 

Rosie: what makes you think that someone who's a miss is a virgin is a very strange belief.

Roula: I don't know. That's, 

Rosie: that's that I was raised to learn. Ridiculous learn 

Roula: at school and French. How conservative for you, Madam and Madam Zel. Madam Zel, she hasn't been touched, madam. She's been touched. 

Rosie: The virgin and the slut. I don't know what the other one would be. Something. The virgin and the slum. Wow.

Rosie: Get to the question. Get to the question. That's also, unless we're talking about that. You forgot the question, [00:01:00] did you Actually, yes. 

Roula: No, I want to talk about that. Miss Mrs. Miss. And then we have Mr.

Roula: Welcome to the Rosie Show Day. 

Rosie: Yeah, 

Roula: what 

Rosie: the fuck? What the fuck? Actually, I have never thought about that. I've all of a sudden had a very visceral reaction and I'm very upset. What the fuck is that about? Because misses is if you belong to a man, you're married, or now in many countries, you can be married to whatever gender you want, but still you're married.

Rosie: That's why you're a Mrs. Miss. You're not married. You don't belong to anybody. Miss. Is Ji what's used for a widow so you don't belong to anybody or 

Roula: divorce. C. 

Rosie: True. Divorce. C. So you've lost. You've lost. [00:02:00] Yeah. Status. I don't know. And what's the other one? Is there another one? No. No. And then Mr. What the What?

Rosie: The what? It just gave me a thumbs up emoji on my screen. 

Roula: It's, it's weird and like when you want to write your name, then you have to select Miss, Mrs. Miss, you know? It is 

Rosie: why, 

Roula: what does it, does it have, does it have to do again with our anatomical situation, with our vaginal state again? Does this determine my title?

Roula: I'm so good. Oh my God, my China State determine my title 

Rosie: and I mean the definition of gender now as well though. What the hell has it got to do with your vagina? Like, I just think it's very odd. Do you think it's empowering to have all these different titles? Does, is [00:03:00] it relevant when we are filling out a form and we have to choose, like, is that relevant?

Roula: Huh. It should have never been relevant. And I'm trying to think what could be the re Okay. The reason to use this in the past is men had more than women. They were o women who are owned by the men. Um, there was a re patriarch, what's the word? 

Rosie: Patriarchal. Patriarchal, yeah. 

Roula: Yes. Reason to create these things.

Rosie: Hmm. 

Roula: Uh, but mister is always, mister fuck that from, like, he, he doesn't have any penis state. He's a mister. 

Rosie: He could have whatever penis he wants. He could be single. He could be a virgin, he could be married, he could be a cheetah, he could be whatever. Mr. Promiscuous, a gigo. He's mister, because guess what?

Rosie: It doesn't matter about your penis, your vagina, your genitals, whatever. 

Roula: Irrelevant. [00:04:00] Yeah. So how does it, what do you choose when they uh, when you have to fill in a form and select? I say 

Rosie: miss, because that's what's expected, honestly. And if you 

Roula: lie and you say, Mrs, what could go wrong? Well, exactly how are they gonna know?

Roula: Right. Maybe if you say misses the next form, that will open the name of your spouse. 

Rosie: Oh, automatically. Do you know what pisses me off? Ruler? Tell me if it's the same in the Netherlands. On birth certificates in Australia. Oh, let me get this right. I'm pretty sure it asks for the occupation of the father, not the, and how is the occupation relevant, but occupation of the father and the mother.

Rosie: It doesn't even ask what birth certificate. Yeah. Wow. Because they're assuming the men were at 

Roula: the time of birth. 

Rosie: Yeah. 

Roula: The father was occupied with helping me [00:05:00] get this kid out 

Rosie: occupied with thinking, oh my God, I don't wanna go 

Roula: down there. Yeah. Occupied. Yeah. That's so scary. That could be an occupation.

Roula: And even 

Rosie: on death certificates, because you know, I've been through that twice now with mom and dad, it asks for their occupation. I'm just like, what? Why? I don't get it. Is it because you 

Roula: are defined? I haven't experienced this. Mm-hmm. No, I haven't experienced this with a birth or death certificate, but at school, yeah.

Roula: They ask for the occupation of the parents. Um, to go, to, go back to, to, to the birth certificate thing. Actually, in the Netherlands, the mom, the dad has three days to register the child, uh, and. Registering the child does not mean that he has saying over the child. Okay. The mom has to give this ah, uh, permission.

Rosie: I like 

Roula: that. So people don't pay [00:06:00] attention to that. They can be even married. Mm. 

Rosie: Yeah, right. But, 

Roula: but having your child certificate as born and you're the father is something different than having another document that you have the rights and the same over this state. Wow. 

Rosie: Wow. 

Roula: And I think this is empowering for women here in, it's 

Rosie: empowering.

Rosie: I actually don't know the situation over here, but I doubt that's the case. I think if the father's on the birth certificate, it's assumed they are involved. I don't think, but then 

Roula: they don't ask if you're Mr. Mrs, et cetera. 'cause now there's a child. I mean, she's definitely Mrs. That Yeah. Right. They only call her mother.

Roula: Yeah.

Roula: Yeah. Well, you know, it's, um, yeah, it's, it's sometimes these little things, and this is what we said we're doing on this podcast, these insignificant things in life. That's, but it's kind of significant. Yeah. Yeah. This is how [00:07:00] identity, I'm not making a big deal out it. Well, next time I'm going to lie on the form.

Roula: I'm going to put Miss, 

Rosie: I'm gonna put Mr. 

Roula: Oh my God, it's even better. Or I might put, doctor, do you know if you put on your CV Mister, 

Rosie: you 

Roula: would get offered a 

Rosie: higher salary. So 

Roula: true. 

Rosie: And I've got now a woman can't have short, like bald head. They'll just be like, yep, that's all right. That's fucked. 

Roula: Okay, Rosie.

Roula: I mean, that's out of context and I always have something to say about that. My name was Roland when I was a teenager, 14, 15 years old. 

Rosie: Why Roland? I was a total 

Roula: Tom tomboy. 

Rosie: No. Yes. Oh, wow. I would not have expected that. And I was 

Roula: called Roland by my brother's friends because they found it really hilarious that when their friends see me in the neighborhood, they talk to me as a boy.

Roula: And then they [00:08:00] thought, oh, we, okay, we're gonna give you a name, not Ruland, but Roland. 

Rosie: So they chose that name. Did you like that name? Yeah. Uh, 

Roula: I didn't care. I didn't care. I, I didn't have any thought about it. I just thought it's, it's funny and I did look like a boy because I had shaved head on the sides and like, oh, I love it.

Roula: Like the Elvis hair. Yeah, I love it. Shirt, big pants. 

Rosie: But 

Roula: even 

Rosie: that comment, I looked like a boy. There's a bit to unpack there, ruler. And why do we call it tomboy? 

Roula: Yeah, well when exactly it's tomboy. This is another thing, the thing, but look, looking like a boy. Uh, unfortunately sometimes it's safer than looking like a girl.

Rosie: Mm. 

Roula: Yeah. Unfortunately. 

Rosie: Yeah.

Roula: Shall we wrap up this semester, Mrs. Ms. And, uh, 

Rosie: well, there's mix as well. There's an MX that some people choose now that I learn about. I think you [00:09:00] say mix. What is. It's mixed. I think someone's gonna correct me here. I think it's for non-binary people. I think I can. Okay, 

Roula: but why? This is this, what do you call it?

Roula: It's like a super 

Rosie: Oh, 

Roula: what's the, 

Rosie: is it a grammar for it? Is it, no, it's a Why is it important? Why is it what? I don't know what the, okay. It's your name that you identify with. Surely not prefix. 

Roula: It's a prefix. Prefix. So can you remember to like Google the reason of, of this, 

Rosie: uh, are we doing it now? And we'll just edit the spec, the, the Gap?

Roula: Yes. Yes. 

Rosie: Why do we have prefix on our name?

Rosie: Oh, used to indicate a person's title, profession, or social status. Social status. [00:10:00] Mm.

Roula: Wow. Respect 

Rosie: and formality. What the fuck? 

Roula: Politeness. Polite. Why? Why you think this is polite. So if someone say, dear ruler, rather than Dear Mrs. Mrs. Abu.

Roula: That sounds so official. Maybe that's it. It's just an impersonal, the hierarchy. 

Rosie: Ooh. To keep the level of it. 

Roula: Hierarchy's 

Rosie: hierarchy, isn't it? It's, it really 

Roula: is. Yes. 

Rosie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 

Roula: Okay. So, you know, on your podcast you say you don't care about 

Rosie: job titles or accolades. Oh, this subtitles 

Roula: or accolades. Yeah. 

Rosie: And 

Roula: yet I used them every day.

Roula: This is, 

Rosie: it's, yeah. 

Roula: It's a 

Rosie: title. 

Roula: Okay. So what I would like to ask the [00:11:00] listeners, I would really love to know, just very simple, get rid of these prefix we said is what they're called. Get totally rid of them or keep them because they serve something. 

Rosie: That's it. Yeah. To me, I don't think it serves a purpose to someone else.

Rosie: Maybe it does.

Roula: Yeah. All right, let's wrap it up. Thank you so much for listening. Bye. 

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Roula: stop you there.

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