56. Rosie and Roula take a deep dive into the wild world of dreams—from the utterly bizarre (yes, there’s a penis dream) to the deeply emotional and symbolic. Roula shares the recurring people who rescue her in dreams, and Rosie questions why we even call life goals “dreams” when actual dreams make no damn sense. It’s an unscripted, thoughtful, and occasionally hilarious look at the subconscious playground we all visit at night.
Do your dreams feel real? Are they in colour or black and white? And do you believe they mean something—or are they just random brain farts while you sleep?
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TRANSCRIPT
Roula (00:00)
So I asked a question and I did most of the talking again. Give me a question where you will do most of the talking.
Rosie (00:05)
for
fuck's sake.
Hmm.
Roula
meant to say, Rosie.
You didn't say Rosie. Thank you. I'm going to talk about dreams because...
Roula (00:35)
Rosie, what's the question?
that's all yours.
Rosie (00:45)
well that's a bit boring. No, but seriously, do you ever have a really weird dream and you wake up and go, where the fuck did that come from?
Roula (01:02)
I haven't had a dream where I woke up with where the fuck did that come from. When I have a weird dream, I kinda know why it happened.
Rosie (01:12)
So why then? Why do we have weird dreams?
Roula (01:16)
You tell me what kind of dream you had and you woke up with what the fuck? Where did it come from?
Rosie (01:20)
I don't have a specific-
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm...
I haven't got a specific example, god damn it. And I feel like I brought this example up in another episode and people are gonna judge me, whatever. I have had dreams before where I'll have a penis and I'm like, what the fuck? And it's just bizarre and it's like me peeing or just like living with a penis. And then I wake up and go, what the hell? That's an example.
Roula (01:57)
a very weird dream yeah yes but what if this dream came because you remember our episode things that man we want and that man have so what if this dream comes from something that happened and you were huh okay i'm here just inventing stories okay but for dreams everything can be true
Rosie (01:59)
Well, thanks.
Yes, I do. Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Roula (02:24)
So what if you dreamt you have a penis because you had an interaction with a man that you felt beaten or that you didn't win?
Rosie (02:37)
wow. That's deep. So do you think all dreams, I guess that's in our subconscious, right? It comes from us, surely.
Roula (02:38)
this is why this dream came.
I feel my dreams, they, I'm not surprised by my dream. They're either something because I've been going through, let's say for a month, I'm going through something difficult, and then I have this dream, for example, of my uncle saving me from somewhere. It feels that, yeah, I will be fine, because I was struggling in my dream, and then my uncle came, reached out, and saved me. And to be honest, this uncle,
Rosie (03:07)
Mmm.
Roula (03:19)
always come comes in my dreams to save me. Uncle Farouk and I don't know if his daughter is listening to this podcast. I'm going to tell her your father comes in my dreams to save me. But I also dream of my dad who's deceased since 2012. Every time I see him in my dreams.
Rosie (03:22)
Wow.
Roula (03:43)
He's looking amazing, very well dressed, with a smile on his face, and that's the contrary of how I saw him in the last years, because he always taking care of himself, but he would get retired, so he was mostly at home, and he's not someone that would, he will smile and laugh, etc., but it's not someone that when he enters, I see a smile on his face. No, when he enters, it's like, okay, what's gonna happen now?
Rosie (03:54)
Yeah.
Roula (04:12)
this kind of feeling he used to give me.
Rosie (04:12)
Okay, yeah.
Roula (04:15)
But in my dreams, and then when I see him like this, I know he's in a good place. I'm not spiritual, though.
Rosie (04:22)
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you are, Roula
Roula (04:24)
Anyway, when I see my dad looking like this in a dream, I feel that he's in a good place. That's why he's looking so good and smiling.
Rosie (04:32)
Hmm.
Yeah, cause I've had dreams before, cause neither of my parents are alive anymore. I've had dreams before where they're both alive. I'm still living at home with my sister and we're just all in a family as a family in the car, just doing things and it feels quite normal. And then I wake up and I'm really sad.
Roula (04:57)
Yeah, some dreams make us wake up, but it's like we live them as reality.
Rosie (05:02)
yeah, most of my dreams feel real. They feel like real life. Do yours?
Roula (05:07)
Are these some of them? I do some mostly that I do remember with their dreams that make me wake up crying or sometimes I wake up sobbing like, if this was real, would be like shattering, devastating. It's mostly if my dream involve danger where my kids are, something involving my children. And when I dream of my children, I don't.
Rosie (05:10)
Mm.
Mmm.
wow.
Mmm. Mmm.
Roula (05:35)
dream, good dreams, they're always dreams, I mean I say always as far as I remember, they're heartbreaking dreams and I think this comes from my worry about them, from whatever interaction we had together and then I can wake up really like sobbing, please, please get me out of bed.
Rosie (05:41)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-mm.
Wow, Are dream's our way of processing things.
Roula (06:03)
For sure, after a good night's sleep, you find solutions, you can think clearer. So there must be reality to it.
Rosie (06:11)
Something there.
Roula (06:14)
Did you have a dream where you felt like it's a solution for a problem and you woke up inspired?
Rosie (06:19)
Never, never,
never. Have you?
Roula (06:23)
I can't remember.
Yeah, really can't remember because everything is possible with dreams.
Rosie (06:35)
Why do you know when we say what's your dream? Like, what do you want to be when you grow up? What like your dream? I don't, I didn't dream of van life or any of this, but I say it was my dream. It wasn't my dream. I never had it in a dream. Why do we call it our dream?
Roula (06:55)
I love this question. So what do you dream of? How in the future, what do you dream of? I am trying to relate it to... We don't have control over our dreams. When we go to sleep, what comes, comes. But when we say what do we dream of, we're in total control.
Rosie (07:01)
Yeah.
Yeah? What the fuck?
Roula (07:21)
I haven't actually heard someone saying what do you dream of recently? The most I hear is where do you see yourself? What do you want to do in the future? But this is growing up. It was very typical to hear what do you dream of? What's your dream? What do you dream for your family, etc? Because we assume that dreams are good, but most of my dreams are heartbreaking.
Rosie (07:32)
Hmm.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, and there's nightmares and they're confusing. Yeah.
Roula (07:51)
nightmare yes
so imagine you're asking someone what's your nightmare for the future well i do have hundreds of ready answers so how about lucid dreams do you have them
Rosie (07:58)
my god. I've got plenty. Yes.
What's a lucid dream?
Roula (08:13)
Well, your, I think if I'm not mistaken, lucid dream is when you see yourself doing things and being part of the dream, because most of the dream you see things happening.
Rosie (08:24)
I know I'm always part of
the dream. I'm always part of it. Are you not? Are you not?
Roula (08:28)
wow,
not always. But the one that makes me wake up sobbing are lucid dreams because I see myself like trying to save my daughter and I'm not able, yeah.
Rosie (08:38)
Wow.
Maybe this is why I'm always so tired because I'm having lucid dreams. I'm not resting.
Roula (08:46)
Very active
at night with lucid dreams.
Rosie (08:52)
This is fascinating. Do you dream in colour? Because I learnt recently that some people don't.
Roula (08:59)
Never noticed. Don't remember. Is it possible to dream in mono-orange colors?
Rosie (09:00)
You can get back to me on that.
Apparently,
apparently, and some people don't have sound in their dreams.
Roula (09:14)
Yeah.
No talking, no sounds.
Rosie (09:17)
Yeah?
Yeah, it's just silent.
Roula (09:21)
Aren't they most of them silent?
Rosie (09:24)
What? Are your dreams silent?
Roula (09:29)
don't know. So you know what some people do, my husband does that also, the moment he wakes up he writes his dreams.
Rosie (09:38)
Really?
Roula (09:41)
and I don't know what the purpose of this he does it but I know that when he wakes up I don't talk to him or he doesn't talk to me because he will forget and sometimes at night I wake up from a dream and I think gosh in the morning I have to tell him about this dream and of course in the morning I don't remember anything of it
Rosie (09:51)
Mmm.
You forget, yeah.
Roula (10:03)
The only risk is if I wake up at night and I want to write down was my dream black and white, did I speak, etc. Then I will be awake and can't fall asleep again. I can't do this experiment, but I'm really curious to know. So many books about dreams, like loads and loads. And there is a very good podcast, actually, who have multiple episodes about dreams. The podcast is something you should know.
Rosie (10:11)
Yeah, yeah. Fine.
Hmm.
Okay.
Roula (10:32)
It's so hard to search the episode, but maybe if you follow the show and then go library search dreams, the episode in this podcast on dreams will will be pulled up. I'm going to do this to see what added value we can put to this episode next time.
Rosie (10:50)
Okay, all right, apparently we're revisiting this everybody, we'll see. Let us know though, do you talk in your dreams? Do you have lucid dreams as Roula called them? Are they in black and white? Are they in color? Do you think dreams have meaning or are they just a load of rubbish?
Let us know.
Roula (11:11)
Let us know. Thank you so much for listening. Bye.
Rosie (11:12)
Yeah, bye.
