When I Grow Up, I will be...

Roula (00:00)
you're making me so hungry eating your crisps chips.

Rosie (00:04)
So yummy. It's payback. All those times you've sat behind the microphone eating your juicy mandarins.

I should be healthy, shouldn't I?

Roula (00:13)
I love it when you say payback.

It's like you can't let it go.

Rosie (00:18)
I can't, no. And you're just like, I don't give a shit. Did

you see that? I just spat some chip out of my mouth. It was revolting. good. Now you know that is revolting and it hit the microphone and then bounced onto the floor.

Roula (00:28)
So I didn't see it, but now you told me it's revolting.

⁓

Rosie (00:37)
I'm just writing in the last episode. something that comes to mind. Hmm, you do have something. Okay, let's go.

Roula (00:42)
I do have something.

Okay.

Rosie, what did you want to become when you grow up?

Rosie (01:07)
An author. I know that straight away. I wanted to be an author.

Roula (01:10)
Wow!

Tell me why.

Rosie (01:15)
I know why, but I used to wake up every morning, like on the weekend, we never had cable TV or paid TV going up, but there was Disney TV that would come on free to air for a certain period of time on Saturday morning. And I would get up really early and I'd write stories and then I'd watch my Saturday morning cartoons. No, before watching.

Roula (01:38)
So you're writing your stories while watching?

Before. Every Saturday.

Rosie (01:42)
And it would start at

7 a.m. I don't know about every Saturday, but it happened enough for me to remember. The first story I remember writing was in year one. I wrote a story, I think it might have been about a goose or a duck. I'm not sure. Maybe it was a rabbit. I don't know, I'm making it up. But I went in so proud and the teacher read it to the class.

But what was more annoying is that she pointed out that I spelt was wrong. I spelt it W-O-Z. So I've never forgotten that. I learnt. How old are you in year one? Six? I don't know. Six maybe? Six, I think, here. Four? Wow. Fuck. Wow. Okay. Well, yes, I learnt how to spell was. It was very exciting.

Roula (02:24)
depends here it's four okay the Netherlands four

Rosie (02:37)
And I was very excited to show my story to my teacher. I'm actually quite terrible at writing fiction. However.

Roula (02:46)
What

do you like to write?

Rosie (02:49)
Just writing in general can be enjoyable. No one starts sending me writing tasks, please. It can be very annoying. I don't want to be writing your assignments, anything like that. But I kind of enjoy it. So, you know, the nuances with the different words and how you put them together and even the grammar that you use. It's just, I've never actually spoken about writing openly like this before. Fascinating, but it's still a dream of mine to publish a book.

What will it be about? No idea. It won't be fiction though, because you will fall asleep.

Roula (03:24)
Biography?

Rosie (03:26)
Maybe? I like that'd be boring.

Roula (03:31)
So if it's not fiction and not biography, what could that be?

Rosie (03:36)
Well it could be... well, one book I wanna write. Could be a what?

Roula (03:38)
romance yes

no no continue continue

Rosie (03:42)
Continue. One book I want to write

is about freedom because on my podcast, I ask every guest what freedom means to them. And I would love to go back through the transcripts and collate everybody's answers. Cause there's got to be some common threads there. Like all the answers are slightly different, but there's some commonalities. So to pull it together and write some kind of book about it, be amazing. I haven't done it because it would be so much worse.

Roula (04:08)
That's wonderful!

Rosie (04:13)
But it'd be cool.

Roula (04:13)
Well, you have to have

like a larger repertoire of episodes and answers. Don't you think? Why are you not being so...

Rosie (04:18)
really? Really? 80 episodes isn't enough for you? I'm

offended. Not enough episodes. How many? Let me see. Hang on. Let's check. I didn't make that up. I have released 84 episodes. So that's not enough data, you reckon? Yeah, very soon. Yes.

Roula (04:26)
80 episodes?

Wow, soon 100, amazing.

That's a good data. That's good, that's good. In my head, I'm thinking of 500. I don't know, but that's me, that's me. I go like.

Rosie (04:41)
You could start, hey. But yeah, even-

Fuck! Never gonna write the book.

You're ridiculous. Yeah, well, yes. I think there's enough for me to start. It would take a while. Maybe GPT can help me analyze the scripts. It'd take years otherwise.

Roula (05:06)
this is where AI can help you. At least instead of listening to entire episodes, can put in chat GPT or whatever AI program you will use only the part,

Rosie (05:09)
Mmm.

the parts. I'd just say, pull out the bits that talk about freedom. Cause in some episodes it comes out in different sections. Anyway, we are getting way off topic, way off topic. That's what I wanted to be when I grew up, an author. How about you?

Roula (05:22)
yeah yeah yes ⁓ right

My answer is going to be shocking.

Rosie (05:41)
GASP

Roula (05:45)
I really, really wanted to be an artist, a musician, a singer, inspired by Cyndi Lauper and the ladies in Fleetwood Mac. Sorry, I have a brain fog, I forgot the name. Janis Joplin.

Rosie (05:55)
Mmm.

Roula (06:03)
Even Madonna, wow. Yeah, my dream is to be on, stand on the stage, wear extravagant, amazing clothes, very unique, and just be an artist, singer, songwriter. And I never played music, never had the chance to learn music. I have no idea what kind of voice I have.

Rosie (06:15)
Mm-hmm.

Roula (06:28)
It's never been a reality for me. But this is what I wanted to become.

Rosie (06:32)
can, I can

picture you on stage though, in your outrageous, unique, bold, or like amazing clothes and just doing outrageous things, pushing the boundaries. Because you are an artist, you are creative. You push the boundaries with your words, but hey, how about performance?

Roula (06:53)
do. I'm learning. Thank

you, Rosie. So yeah, this is what I wanted to become when I'm older. And then when I listened to artists, their journey, like I wasn't even close from making it happening. And I remember one day, I had to choose a study. And I said to my dad, I think I talked about this on your podcast, I said to my dad, I want to be an interior designer. My dad told me.

Rosie (07:00)
Wow.

Mm.

Roula (07:20)
Who the fuck in times of wars want to be an interior designer? People houses are being destroyed. What is this bullshit you're talking about?

Rosie (07:30)
Fair point.

Roula (07:32)
And I think from that point I never ever thought about what I want to become.

Rosie (07:36)
Wow. Wow.

That's powerful, isn't it?

Roula (07:43)
Yeah, I've been only becoming what's necessary for to please my parents, to pay my bills, to, you know, be financially stable, do the right thing. And I think starting the podcast is the moment, breakthrough moment in thinking, this is what I'm going to do. And Rosie, I never talked about this.

Rosie (07:43)
Mmm.

Mmm.

Roula (08:08)
I cannot work anymore behind the computer like I used to. The listeners don't care, don't know, but I can't. My hands can't work on computers anymore. And I must now think of my future more than ever because I have few decades before I get really old. And now I'm thinking again, what do I want to become before I get too old?

Rosie (08:33)
Mm-hmm.

So what do you want to become?

Roula (08:41)
something that does not involve working with my hands.

Rosie (08:44)
Well, there's lots of lots of opportunity then if that's your only limiting factor.

Roula (08:45)
you

yeah maybe maybe yeah ⁓ i would love that it's not easy it's even yeah it's not if it's easy to to get followers on on social media so that they listen to the podcast you're frozen i don't know if you're talking if you're not talking you're frozen you're frozen when your heart's not open

Rosie (08:54)
Maybe it is time to go on stage and be a performer.

No.

You there?

It froze, are you there? Are you there?

Hello? It's me.

Roula (09:20)
Rosie, where are

you?

Rosie (09:24)
don't remember the words, it's Adele. I'm in California dreaming blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know what's embarrassing Roula is you will have this recording when you go to edit this episode. At the moment you are frozen on my screen.

Roula (09:26)
okay i think i'm gonna wrap this episode because rosy is frozen and i can't hear her i don't know what's happening i would love to hear from you rosy too we would love to hear from you what did you want to become

when you're older and maybe now you still want to become something let us know please nothing is off limit all your dreams can be voiced on this podcast thank you bye